Tuesday, September 20, 2005

The Email From Mr Goh (Dtd 20Sep05)

The Email from Mr Goh to defend his staff:

From: "Goh Peng Hong" gohph@income.com.sg
To: XXX@yahoo.com, "DAVID TAN" , "Stella Soh" , "Jenny Pe"
CC: "Eddie Loke"
Subject: Response on LIABILITY: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X DOA: 06.05.2005
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:49:53 +0800

Dear Tan XXX XXX,

Some of your comments in your latest email below to David Tan are unnecessary and irrelevant to the case.

The response from David Tan to your goodself as per attachment has been thought over and discussed among all the relevant managers in this email.

Regards

Goh Peng Hong
Head
Claim Service Centre


My reply to NTUC:

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: XXX@yahoo.com

Subject: Response on LIABILITY: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X
DOA: 06.05.2005
To: "Goh Peng Hong"
CC: "Eddie Loke" , "DAVID TAN" , "Jenny Pe" , "Stella Soh" , "Goh Peng Hong" , "Cho Lai Weng" , "Edwin Wong" , "Belinda Sim" , "Alvin Tan Hock Wan - Gc" , "Bernard Han Cheung Yong" , "Sharon Han" , "Lai Ah Kin" , "Goh Swee Kiang Yvonne" , "Tan Chiew Hua" , "Alice Low"

Hi Mr Goh,


Are you implying that you agreed with how and what Mr David had replied? I have been emailing you for very long. No saticfactory answer has been received. Even with this email outburst today, I will be surprised if you managed to figure out what an assessment report is. I urge you to re-read all the emails for the past few months and try to understand what I have been asking for since DAY 1.
Please give me a definite answer now. IS THERE AN ASSESSMENT REPORT (in a Word document or in paper format)? YES OR NO?


Best Regards,
Tan XXX XXX

Sad... sad ......... sad........

Sunday, September 18, 2005

The Letters (Dtd 18Sep05)



After someone from the Quality Service Department called me regarding my enquiries/requests, I received two letters from NTUC Income on 01 Sep 05:

My Reply to NTUC:

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:51:00 -0700 (PDT)
From:
XXX@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
To: "DAVID TAN"
CC: "Eddie Loke" , "DAVID TAN" , "Jenny Pe" , "Stella Soh" , "Goh Peng Hong" , "Cho Lai Weng" , "Edwin Wong" , "Belinda Sim" , "Alvin Tan Hock Wan - Gc" , "Bernard Han Cheung Yong" , "Sharon Han" , "Lai Ah Kin" , "Goh Swee Kiang Yvonne" , "Tan Chiew Hua" , "Alice Low" , "Goh Peng Hong"

Hi MR DAVID,
Thank you for your reply. Attached are the replies that I have received from you. Below are the replies by MR CHO:

Reply on 23/06/05:


Dear Mr . Tan ,
Originally , based on available material evidence including your additional inputs contained in your e-mail to us dated on the 27 / 05 / 2005 , our Assessor had determined that the driver of XXX9999X to bear greater liability in the accident which occurred on the 06.05.2005 but since you persist in the liability dispute and to ensure consistency in the liability determination process , we decided to forward the case to our Claims Committee which includes our Head of Claims Department to conduct a review of the case .
The findings of our Claims Committee is out and I regret to inform that their decision synchronise with our earlier stand that the driver of XX9999X had more liability . Under BOLA ( barometer of liability assessment ) system of assessing which is recommended by the Traffic Police , in the absence of independent unbiased witnesses and with both parties claiming traffic lights in their favour , onus is on the turning vehicle . Consequently , when there is liability , under policy conditions , NCD will be negatively impacted by Third Party claim no. 6048683 .
However , as assessment is done without prejudice , if you still do not accede to our decision , you may agree with the appointment of an outside independent adjudicator ( see attached for details ) to perform another round of investigation .If the independent adjudicator rules in your favour i.e liability to be 20 % or less , we shall reinstate your NCD accordingly . If you are amenable to the independent adjudicator scheme , please contact me by the 30th June 2005 and I shall make the necessary arrangements for that purpose .
If you need further assistance in this matter or have any query , please feel free to contact me .


Reply on 30/06/05:


Dear Mr. Tan ,
Liability assessment is based on the accident reports / photographs of the damaged vehicle of both parties , witnesses statements if available and very importantly , adherence to the BOLA system of assessing which is recommended by the Traffic Police.
Firstly , our Assessor had to ascertain whether the damages inflicted on both vehicles are consistent with the accident or not . In a nutshell , whether the said mechanical damages can be generated based on both reports . If the damages are not consistent , then doubt will be cast over the integrity of one's report . In this accident , our Assessor had concluded that the damages are in tune with both reports . Next , we look at the availability of witnesses statements .
In this context , no such statements produced from both parties . Finally , the BOLA system comes into play , and as I had mentioned before , in the absence of independent , unbiased witnesses statements and both parties claiming green lights in their favour , onus is on the turning vehicle. Based on our experience , we felt that in order to fight this case , the presentation of an independent , unbiased witness statement to substantiate that your goodself has the right of way is of paramount importance in this accident scenario.
If not , the availability of a Police Investigation report which revealed that the Third Party was charged successfully for traffic offences eg. careless / inconsiderate driving can help tremendously your case . Unfortunately , both the witnesses statements and Police Investigation report are not available and reciprocally , we have to come to that decision which regrettably not to your favour .
We hope the above explanation answer your queries and please let us have your response regarding the adoption of the Independent Adjudicator scheme to conduct a review of the case . If we do not hear from you by 4th July 2005 , I am afraid we need to proceed to settle the Third party claim against you .
Thank You

Yours Sincerely
Cho Lai Weng
Claim Service Centre
NTUC IncomeDID : 6877-3208


Firstly, as you can see what Mr Cho had explained are just the General Guidelines used when assessing an accident. Do you know what are the differences between the guidelines and the assessment prior to the accident?

Secondly, at this moment, I am asking for the two assessment reports for references in the future if similar accidents happen to me. I am not talking about the liability portion yet. If NTUC Income do not have such assessment reports, please say so and not trying to beat around the bushes and waste everybody's time here.

Thirdly, please answer all my enquiries correctly. When someone asks you why your name is called David, answer him/her with a start of "It is because" or "It is due to" and NOT "We will take note of that". I do not know what kind of answer is that. (What is your educational level?)

By the way, please think carefully before you reply. Do not forget that you are representing NTUC Income and make a fool of yourself and disgrace NTUC Income. If you can not handle this case, please forward this to your supervisor. Thank you.

Best Regards,
Tan XXX XXX


**I have learnt a new answer if my boss asks me WHY my project is delayed?, The ans will be "I will take note of it". I cannot imagine what will happen to me if I really reply my boss using that answer. Btw, if those primary or secondary school students answer their comprehension tests/exams' questions in this way, they will definitely fail! :P

Monday, August 15, 2005

The Passing Game (Dtd 15Aug05)

Mr Goh had emailed me about my enquiries:

From: "Goh Peng Hong" gohph@income.com.sg
To: XXX@yahoo.com
CC: "Stella Soh" , "Jenny Pe" , "DAVID TAN" , "Eddie Loke"
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:10:00 +0800

Dear Tan XX XXXX,

We understand you. We do not assume.

I have copied this email to our Service Quality Manager, Stella Soh who will provide an independent view on the case on your below four queries..

Regards

Goh Peng Hong
Claim Service Centre



My Reply:

From: Tan XX XXXX
To:
Goh Peng Hong
Cc:
Stella Soh ; Jenny Pe ; DAVID TAN ; Eddie Loke
Sent: 14-Aug-2005 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005

Dear Mr Goh,

May I know why are all my questions ignore?

Is it because the questions are too hard to be understood?

Can you answer the questions which I have asked?

Quoted from my previous email:

"
- Does NTUC has an assessment report for each accident on how the verdict is concluded? This assessment report is a written document that clearly states who and how the accident is assessed as for future references.

ANS:______________
"

Regards,
Tan XXX XXX



NTUC's reply again:

From: "Goh Peng Hong" gohph@income.com.sg
To: XXX@yahoo.com
CC: "Eddie Loke" , "DAVID TAN" , "Jenny Pe" , "Stella Soh"
Subject: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:27:48 +0800

Dear Tan XX XXX,

My earlier email dated 12-Aug-2005 @ 11:46pm, we have stated the decision.

As your goodself find it unsatisfactory in that email, in my subsequent email dated 14-Aug-2005 @ 3:10am, I have referred to our Service Quality manager to handle your query.

Plse let her confirm and revert to your goodself.

Regards

Goh Peng Hong
Claim Service Centre


If the claim department does not have the assessment reports, what makes Mr Goh thinks that the Service Quality Manager has them??? Let's see what this Service Quality Manager can do....

Saturday, August 13, 2005

The Answer to the Enquiries (Dtd 13Aug05)

Finally, NTUC sent me an answer for my enquiries:

From: "Goh Peng Hong" gohph@income.com.sg
To: XXX@yahoo.com
CC: "Eddie Loke" , "DAVID TAN" , "Jenny Pe"
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:46:18 +0800

Dear Tan XXX XXX,

Due to the nature of the case and your request, we have spent longer than usual and have discussed with the relevant managers. Below are our final decision...

1) On the liability,

Based on the material facts, damages to the vehicles and BOLA guideline, we have assessed your goodself largely at fault. As long as the liability of an accident is more than 20% and we settle the claim, NCD will be affected.

2) On the premium,

Yr 2003
- renewal prem was $995 after 20% NCD
- Gross Prem $1243 based on 126pts

Yr 2004
- renewal prem was $966 after 20% NCD
- Gross Prem $1207 based on 124pts

Yr 2005
- NCD affected bcos of accident on 6/5/05 accident
- original renewal prem is $1721 based on 137pts, inclusive of 10pts loading for pick-up models
- revised to $1549 after 10% special discount in view of 10pts loading (abt 30% increase)

Conclusion:

As the facts of the case is not in your favour, we have settled the third party claim to prevent them from sending the case to a lawyer which will add more cost to the claim.


Regards

Goh Peng Hong
Claim Service Centre


*It took them quite a while to give me the above answer and involved a number of managers leh......

My reply to them:
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
From:
XXX@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
To: "Goh Peng Hong"
CC: "Eddie Loke" , "DAVID TAN" , "Jenny Pe"

Dearest Mr Goh,

Please answer to my following question with a YES/NO answer in the blank space:
- Does NTUC has an assessment report for each accident on how the verdict is concluded? This assessment report is a written document that clearly states who and how the accident is assessed as for future references.

ANS:______________

By the way, I have requested for the reply of the following:
1) Two accident assessment reports; one by the special committee, another by the assessment officer. The assessment reports should include how the accident is assessed based on ALL the evidences found and how the verdict is derived. These two reports will be used for my future references if another similar accident happens to me.

2) The detailed calculation on how the insurance premium is computed

3) The explanation on why NTUC staff are reluctant to give their Employee ID to the customer

4) The explanation on why NTUC staff are reluctant to disclose their designation and how they are related to the case to the customer in the email

However, only one of the requests is answered (The NCD calculation, but that is not detailed enough: How does the points derived?, How does each point costs derived?). If you have difficulties in comprehending the customer's requests, please ask, and do not assume.


Regards,
Tan XXX XXXX


**Again... No assessment report yet. Does it exist in the first place??

Friday, August 12, 2005

The Enquiries (Dtd 12Aug05)

Still no reply.. I decided to email Mr Goh:

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
From:
XXX@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XXX1381X on the 06.05.2005
To: "Goh Peng Hong"

Dear Mr Goh,
I am still waiting for your reply on the following items:
1) Two accident assessment reports; one by the special committee, another by the assessment officer. The assessment reports should include how the accident is assessed based on ALL the evidences found and how the verdict is derived.
2) The detailed calculation on how the insurance premium is computed
3) The explanation on why NTUC staff are reluctant to give their Employee ID to the customer
4) The explanation on why NTUC staff are reluctant to disclose their designation and how they are related to the case to the customer in the email
By the way, the two days grace that you have mentioned again and again seems like years to me. This has been dragging for so long and I really doubt the working capability of NTUC staff.

Regards,
Tan XX XXXX


The reply from Mr Goh:

From: "Goh Peng Hong" gohph@income.com.sg
To: XXX@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Response on liability & premium calculation: TP claim: 6048683 --- Accident between XX9999X & XX1381X on the 06.05.2005
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:43:41 +0800

Dear Tan XXXX XXXX,

The decision on the liability and premium have been provided to your goodself by the relevant case officers earlier.

We are discussing with the relevant managers for a consolidated response.

I will revert later in the day on our final response..

Regards

Goh Peng Hong
Claim Service Centre



*Trying to buy more time again, they have been using this trick again and again.......